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One or Two Acceptations of Sin...
Two Forms of Sin?
What Is Central Christadelphian Doctrine?
This document only supplies page images showing that a particular item Jim Luke, Brian Luke and John Martin portray as "Berean, Old Paths, and Unamended" is exactly what John Thomas, H. P. Mansfield and all genuine Christadelphians have taught since the Christadelphian community was established. Readers should view another page as well: "John Thomas, H. P. Mansfield on Atonement and Covering" which is another doctrine they are claiming is "Berean, Old Paths, and Unamended".
Australian clean-flesh teachers have recently appealed to John Carter and L.G. Sargent. But will they listen when L.G. Sargent and John Carter speak?
'Sin in human life has two aspects. First our nature itself has a bias towards sin and an inbred mortality which is the consequence of sin. That nature Christ shared with us. But secondly, in us the nature expresses itself in acts of sin for which we are individually responsible.' L.G.S., The Christadelphian, 1940, p. 348; John Carter editor.
1 — Physical Human Nature + 1 — Acts of sin a.k.a. Transgression
--- = 2 — "two aspects" "sin... used in a secondary sense" "two principal acceptations"
"two forms" "two classes" "a term of double import" "two principal ways"
"two manifestations" "two ways" "two kinds" "the word also has secondary uses"
Now, will the clean-flesh teachers accuse L.G. Sargent, John Carter, John Thomas or HP Mansfield of leaning towards the teachings of Andrewism, Old Paths, or the Bereans? Will they please advise?
"The word 'sin' is used in two principal acceptations in the Scriptures."
John Thomas, Elpis Israel
Image from the 1849 London edition, p. 113.
"The word 'sin' is used in two senses..."
John Thomas, Herald of the Kingdom and Age to Come, 1852, p. 182 (also reprinted in The Christadelphian, 1873, p. 484)
"Sin in human life has two aspects. First our nature itself has a bias towards sin and an inbred mortality which is the consequence of sin. That nature Christ shared with us. But secondly, in us the nature expresses itself in acts of sin for which we are individually responsible."
L.G. Sargent / John Carter; The Christadelphian,1940, p. 348
page 19
page 36
page 60
page 61
page 83"Sin' here being used in a secondary sense"
"TWO SEPARATE offerings, Christ did the SAME in the ONE"
"But sin can be used in a secondary sense"
"Because of his oneness in nature it could therefore be said of him that 'he was made sin for us'"
"Jesus was 'made sin for us', by reason of being born with our nature'" -- NB John Martin: was his 'nature' moral or physical?
John Martin [prior to his departure from Christadelphian teaching on the atonement], Hebrews Study Notes
"We have some... objecting to the use of the word 'sin' in the physical or secondary sense at all and stumbling over the use of the word 'unclean'..."
(The contradiction was that the critic was using "sin nature" as Harry Fry deceitfully used it: as a moral rather than physical issue)
NB Jim Luke: "stumbling over the use of the word 'unclean' and 'sinful' in their application to the nature we possess...". Jim, was HP Mansfield a "pharisee" in viewing uncleanness as physical?
NB Jim Cowie: "why should he complain: 'The Logos' is reintroducing similar phraseology among us with reference to the work of Christ"? Your argument of changed language in Logos is not original, nor is your position in relation to Logos original.
Logos, July 1951, p. 259
"the word also has secondary uses"
"Two Forms of 'Sin'"
"Two principal ways"
"Two manifestations"
"sin in its secondary sense"
H.P. Mansfield; Logos, 1976, p. 77
"Sin is used in two ways in Scripture: to describe an act, and to define a condition"
H.P. Mansfield, Logos, September 1970, p. 459
"two principal acceptations"
Logos, May, 1945, p. 216
"Now sin, in Scripture, is used to describe both actual transgression or human nature"
H.P. Mansfield, Logos, December 1970, p. 106
"not merely an act of disobedience"
"sin is used in a secondary sense"
A.J., Logos, March 1971, p. 207
"two classes of sin from which the human race need deliverance"
Henry Sulley; The Temple of Ezekiel's Prophecy, 1887, p. 76
"Sin is a term of double import in the Scriptures; it has a physical as well as a moral application."
WH Boulton; The Epistle to the Hebrews, p. 181
Students of Harry Fry : Note his argument against the ceremonial imputation of sins as a continuation of the Mosaic type.
"But when he offered for himself he also offered for his people. The two aspects of the antitypical offering were combined in one act, but, though combined, the two relations of the one act are plainly separate."
H.P. Mansfield, Logos, 1976, p 117
John Ullman, Logos, December 1987, p. 87 "The Scriptures describe two kinds of sin"
H.P. Mansfield, Logos, September 1981, p. 365
This is not an exhaustive search but rather
intended to help interested readers in identifying those
who have abandoned Central Christadelphian teaching in Australia:
Jim Luke, Brian Luke and John Martin are the leadership of the present
departure from the Biblical Truth held by Christadelphians since 1848.
From the Clean-Flesh Video Presentation
